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In enkele vestigingen van Albert Heijn To Go krijgen managers opdracht geen personeel van Marokkaanse komaf in dienst te nemen. Dat blijkt uit een intern overzicht van de afdeling personeelszaken, dat in handen is gekomen van het AD.

‘Geen Marokkanen’, staat er volgens de krant vetgedrukt achter de filialen Amsterdam-Westtunnel, Amsterdam Lelylaan en Den Haag Centraal Station. De lijst werd op 4 juni naar 31 Albert Heijn to go winkels verzonden. Managers moesten aangeven of de lijst nog klopte. Vanuit een van de filialen kreeg personeelszaken dezelfde ochtend nogmaals het verzoek: ‘Dringend! Geen Marokkanen!’

Bij de grootgrutter is men ‘ontzettend geschrokken’ van deze discriminatie. Maar Albert Heijn wijst er op dat het personeelsbeleid op de stationsfilialen van AH in handen is van Servex (onderdeel van de NS).

De NS biedt zijn excuses aan, ‘aan een ieder die het aangaat’. Woordvoerder Krijgsman: "Ons bedrijf wil juist een afspiegeling van de samenleving zijn." NS zegt ‘passende maatregelen’ te hebben genomen tegen de betrokken medewerkers.

Een AH-woordvoerster noemt het in het AD ‘een raadsel’ waarom een aantal To Go-winkels Marokkanen wil weren. Volgens een anonieme medewerker van AH To Go vinden de filiaalmanagers in Amsterdam en Den Haag dat er ‘meer dan genoeg Marokkaanse jongens werken en over de vloer komen’. "Dat zou bedreigend overkomen voor andere klanten."
Taal / Achternaam Amazigh of arabier?
09/06/2009 om 17:43:14
Zou je aan iemand zijn/haar achternaam kunnen zien of het een Amazigh of een arabier is?
Waarom ga je niet naar Saudi Arabie en daar een rijschool voor vrouwen beginnen?

Vrouwen mogen niet rijden in Saudi Arabie!
Geschiedenis / Abbas Ibn Firnas
18/05/2009 om 00:14:35
Abbas Ibn Firnas (810 â€" 887 A.D.), also known as Abbas Qasim Ibn Firnas and was an Arabic-speaking Berber, born in Izn-Rand Onda, al-Andalus (today's Ronda, Spain), who lived in the Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba in al-Andalus. He was a polymath, aviator, chemist, engineer, humanitarian, inventor, musician, physician, physicst, poet, astronomer and technologist.


Ibn Firnas designed a water clock called Al-Maqata, devised a means of manufacturing colorless glass, made corrective lenses ("reading stones"), developed a chain of rings that could be used to display the motions of the planets and stars, and developed a process for cutting rock crystal that allowed Spain to cease exporting quartz to Egypt to be cut.

Another one of his inventions was an artificial weather simulation room in which spectators saw and were astonished by stars, clouds, artificial thunder, and lightning which were produced by mechanisms hidden in his basement laboratory.

According to Lynn Townsend White, Jr., Ibn Firnas was also an inventor of "some sort of metronome." Ibn Firnas also built and made an attempt to fly a rudimentary ornithopter.

Ibn Firnas once asked himself in a personal ledger:

"What man-made machine will ever achieve the complete perfection of even the goose's wing?"

In 875, at the age of 65, possibly inspired by the earlier attempt at flight by Armen Firman, Ibn Firnas made his first attempt at flight using a rudimentary ornithopter and launched from the Mount of the Bride (Jabal al-'Arus) in the Rusafa Area, near Córdoba, Spain. However, it ended in a crash and injury to his back. This failure left critics saying he hadn't taken proper account of the way birds land, having provided neither a tail nor a means for landing.

Ibn Firnas died twelve years later in 887, at the age of 77.

[edit] Eyewitness accounts
Several eye witnesses reported the event. Ibn Firnas stated the following, moments before he flew:

"Presently, I shall take leave of you. By guiding these wings up and down, I should ascend like the birds. If all goes well, after soaring for a time I should be able to return safely to your side."

One of the witnesses reported:

"Having constructed the final version of his glider, to celebrate its success he invited the people of Cordoba to come and witness his flight. People watched from a nearby mountain as he flew some distance, but then the glider plummeted to the ground causing him to injure his back..."

Another account states:

"We thought ibn Firnas certainly mad ... and we feared for his life!"

Another witness, the poet Mu'min Ibn Said (d. 886), reported:

"He flew faster than the phoenix in his flight when he dressed his body in the feathers of a vulture."

Based on these and other eyewitness accounts, the early 17th-century historian Ahmed Mohammed al-Maqqari described the event as follows:

"Among other very curious experiments which he made, one is his trying to fly. He covered himself with feathers for the purpose, attached a couple of wings to his body, and, getting on an eminence, flung himself down into the air, when according to the testimony of several trustworthy writers who witnessed the performance, he flew a considerable distance, as if he had been a bird, but, in alighting again on the place whence he had started, his back was very much hurt, for not knowing that birds when they alight come down upon their tails, he forgot to provide himself with one."

Ik denk dat ze het kind geen Marokkaans paspoort geven of iets in die trend.

Gewoon een mooie Amazighnaam geven en maak je niet druk om ze!
Sometime at the end of the fourteenth, or it may have been in the early fifteenth century, a ship was wrecked on a spit of sand jutting out from the Moroccan Atlantic coast. The sole survivor scrambled ashore and fell into the hands of the Berbers whose clan name was the Beni M'Touga, and who inhabited that part of the country. The Berbers spared his life, which was unusual clemency on their part as they had a hatred for all strangers.

The shipwrecked man who was a Scot, and whose name was either MacDougal or MacDowall (most likely the latter), was an expert in metalwork, settled down among the natives and taught them many useful arts, including working in metals. He lived for many years with this tribe, who venerated his superior knowledge to such an extent that on his death they raised a monument over his tomb, which is known and worshipped to this day as the shrine of "Sidi Magdool".

During the course of the years, a seaport was built on the spit of sand where the shipwreck occurred, and this was named after him, but the name was gradually corrupted by Europeans into "Mogador".

What was the reason for the unusual friendliness of these wild Berber tribesmen towards a shipwrecked sailor? One of the first steps towards amity between strangers is a knowledge of each other's languages and that is what most probably saved MacDowall. You may wonder how he knew the Berber tongue! As he was an expert in metalwork, he was most likely a passenger on the shipwrecked vessel and not one of the crew, as his calling was not of very much use for employment in a wooden ship; therefore it was unlikely that he gained a knowledge of their language by previous contact with them as a sailor. Besides, the language of the sea-ports in that part of the world was Arabic, which is entirely different to the native Berber tongue known as "Shluh" . The explanation may lie in the following extraordinary statement which was made by Colonel W.G. Macpherson of the Army Medical Corps. ........ "When I was in Morocco City in 1891. I met a Gaelic-speaking missionary doctor who had come out there and went into the interior, where Shluh is the language spoken in the Sous country, just as it is the language of the Cis-Atlas country. He told me that the words seemed familiar to him, and after listening to the natives speaking among themselves found they were speaking a Gaelic dialect, much of which he could follow. The medical missionary told me he recognized the Shluh language as Celtic. Although he had no previous knowledge of it, and had no conception of its being allied to Gaelic, he found himself able to understand much of what was being said the first time he went among the tribes, solely on account of the resemblance of they language to his own Gaelic. This confirmed my own observations regarding the names of the Berber tribes, I myself, had come across, namely, the Beni M'Tir, the Beni M'Touga and the Beni M'Ghill is simply the Arabic for 'children of' and is tacked on by the Arabs to the M' of the Berbers which means 'sons of', and is exactly the same as the Gaelic Mac or Mc. Hence the M'Tir, M'Touga and M'Ghill become in our country MacTiers, MacDougalls and MacGills."

At the Pan-Celtic Congress held in Edinburgh in Sept. 1907, Dr. George Mackay read a paper on these remarkable experiences of the missionaries. It caused a sensation in the local press at the time but, as far as I can discover, no further investigations were made.

The shipwrecked man MacDowall was probably a Gaelic speaker. The fact that he and the Berbers understood each other may explain why he was not killed by them, and also that his name has similar to their clan name. This conjecture of mine may be very near the truth.

Apart from the fact that the Berber-Shluh language is a Gaelic dialect, the Berbers are a highly interesting people. The majority of them are a tall, white-skinned, fair haired race with blue or grey eyes, and Professor Hooten of Harvard the famous American Anthropologist did not hesitate to say that there were more "pure Nordics" in Barbary than in Germany.

Alan Houghton Brodick, in his book "North Africa", p.20, mentions that in the countryside of Northern Morocco, "you are astonished at the number of men (and women for they often go unveiled) who might pass for Scots among a populaton that sometimes looks more northern than southern European".

There is still another interesting point about these tribes. They live a clan life and are known by their clan names just as the Highlanders of our own country once lived. They have feuds among themselves and unite against a common enemy. They are essentially mountaineers, and that is probably the main reason why their language has been preserved, and why they are so independent.

The ancestors of the Beni M'Ghill furnished the contingents with which the Moors conquered Spain, and the Beni M'Touga was one of the clans who controlled the Atlas passes and levied toll upon all who passed.

The tribes have a high reputation for valour, and at one time were at war with all outsiders; yet it is said, and has been proved, that if you gain their confidence and friendship, they are as kind and hospitable as our own kith and kin.

Many theories have been put forward as to the origin of these peoples, and I should like to add mine to the list, but with a different slant, and with a few historical facts from which the reader may chose his own ideas on the subject.

In "The Races of Man", A.C. Haddon states - "They are undoubtedly the descendants of the races known to the Greeks and Phoenicians under the generic name of Libyans. The Kabyles of the hills between Algiers and Bougie, and the Shawia of the Aures Mountains are very similar to one another and may be taken as typical Berbers. They are distinctly white-skinned, even when sunburned. Usually they have black hair and brown or hazel eyes, some have yellow hair and blue eyes. In the royal necropolis of Thebes of about 1300 B.C., certain Libyans are depicted as having a white skin, blue eyes and fair beards. Blonds are represented on Egyptian monuments from 1700 B.C. and were noted by the Greeks in the fourth century B.C. In the east the blonds have quite died out, but there are patches of this race in the west of North Africa. This fair race still remain an unsolved problem. Some students bring them from Spain, other authors from Italy, others again from the east. Perhaps they were a sporadic invasions and formed an aristocratic class. One suggestion is that they were Proto-Nordics who formed a part of the various groups of Asiatics who raided Egypt about 1300 B.C. and moved westwards.......".

Several other authors have written in much the same strain, but none have ever thought to study the Berber language!

W.C. Mackenzie in his book "The Races of Ireland and Scotland" mentions that according to the Irish traditions, the Formorians who invaded Ireland in prehistoric times were African pirates. These pirates exacted an annual tribute, both of children and produce from the Numidians who were progenitors of the Firbolgs and the Tuatha de Danaan. Mackenzie seeks to identify the Fomorians with the Phoenicians, or a race akin to Berbers as it seems certain that the centre of dispersion of the Dolmen people was Northwest Africa.

In "Moroccan Journal", Rom Landau gives a very interesting item of history. In 1721 John Windus who was the first British traveller to visit Volubilis (a town erected in Morocco in the second century A.D. by the Romans) and to proclaim its existence to the outside world, discovered there inscriptions of 190-192 A.D., the work of one Nectorea, that mentioned a British legion then garrisoning Volubilis. At more or less the same time, a Berber legion was guarding Hadrians wall in Britain. Presumably many of the Berbers stationed there married local women or, at all events, became the fathers of children. So they must surely have left behind a streak of Berber blood, a hundredfold dilution of which might still be flowing through British veins. The corresponding and opposite exchange of stock must have taken place at Volubilis, but this stock is not the progenitors of the present day fair-skinned blue or grey eyed Berbers as they were already in the country many centuries before this period.

According to history, when the Romans garrisoned southern Scotland, the subjects inhabiting Galloway and Dumfries and known as the Attecotti were far from being submissive and peace-loving. Although under Roman rule they were constantly at war with their neighbours the Brigantes, and in the latter part of the fourth century, joined the Pictish invaders in harassing the legions. The revolt was crushed by Theodosius, and, as a precautionary measure, a large number of the able-bodied men was sent into exile as auxiliary levies of the Roman army in Gaul and Spain, and no doubt some of them found their way to Barbary where they would meet their distant cousins the Berbers: but this still does not explain how the Berbers spoke a Gaelic dialect.

The works by the erudite Professor L.A. Waddell may hold the key to the puzzle. He says in his book ''Phoenician Origin of the Britons, Scots and Anglo-Saxons" that the ascertained traditional British Chronicles state that the Briton colonists began with the arrival of King Brutus-the-Trojan with their wives and families in a great fleet from the Mediterranean about 1103 B.C. and his occupation of Albion. These Phoenicians were Aryan in race, speech and script and were of vast antiquity dating back from their testimony in their own still existing inscribed monuments to about 3100 B.C.

It is quite possible that these peoples travelled overland along the north coast of Africa and settled for a time in Barbary before crossing the Straits of Gibraltar to Spain where they embarked for Britain. Some of them may have preferred to stay in Barbary, and the present day Berbers are their descendants. This would account for their Gaelic which is Aryan in origin, and also for their fair complexion According to the ancient Books of Ballymote and Lecan, the Scots in about 400 B.C. under the leadership of Partolan, arrived from Spain and colonized and civilized Ireland. Their tribal name was "Gioln" which is not far removed from "Ghill''. If we add the Berber prefix it becomes M'Ghill. Spain is next door to Barbery and would shorten the sea voyage to Ireland, and they would have the prevailing western wind to help them on their way to join their kindred who had preceded them so many centuries previously.

A map of Morocco compiled by the Intelligence Department of the War Office in 1889 showed that in the neighbourhood of Fez there were two large districts, the one westwards, and the other almost due south bearing the names of M'Tir and M'Ghill respectively. The name of the tribe in each case had been given to the district. On the same map there are two large districts lying between Morocco City and the Atlantic bearing the name of M'Touga. Morocco has greatly changed during recent years. France has now built roadways far into the Berber country and thus brought these tribes closer to modern civilization, and many of their sons are being educated in France, specialising, like the Scots, in engineering. It has been reported that before World War II, there were about 60,000 Berbers working in French factories where many of then held highly skilled jobs.

Perhaps some day in the future the puzzle of the origin of these Celtic Berbers will be solved, and this may lead to much of our ancient history, most of which is mere conjecture, having to be re-written.

Large sums of money have been spent in tracing the history of ancient Egypt and other countries in the near East, some of which could have been spent in investigating the history of the Berbers and their country. What has so far been discovered about them points to the fact that there appears to be some relationship between them and our ancestors Are they our ancient cousins?
Algemeen / Discussie berbers
09/04/2009 om 19:54:48
Citaat van: incognito op 09/04/2009 om 19:40:28
Wat hoopten ze hiermee te bereiken?

Dat barbaarse gedrag zit in hun Genen!
Algemeen / Discussie berbers
09/04/2009 om 18:47:53
Citaat van: Amsraraf op 09/04/2009 om 18:22:21

Slavinen kwamen uit alle landen waar de arabieren de dienst uitmaakten. Van Andalusie tot Perzie. Maar de arabieren hadden een voorkeur voor Timazighin omdat zij mooie zijn, gehoorzaam en vormden geen gevaar voor de arabieren:
De moeder van de beroemde Haroen Arrashid (bekend van 1001 nacht) was berbers. Hij bleef trouw aan de arabieren. Haroen Arrashid had twee zonnen: Amin en Maamoen. de eerste had een arabische moeder de tweede een Iraanse slavin. Zij voerden strijd om de macht. Geholpen door Perzen veroverde Maamoen de macht en vervolgens is de invloed van de Perzen enorm geworden...
De moeder van Idris II was berbers (Taymoent behoorde tot de Oerba-stam) . Later  liet Idris II arabieren uit Andalusie komen en verjaagde de berbers uit de stad onder toeziende oog van zijn moeder. Nog vandaag de dag durven de arabieren niet te trouwen met vrouwen uit Turkije of Iran maar wel met berber vrouwen.

Over slavernij wil ik graag iets zeggen: in de arabische cultuur is een niet-arabier (een arabier is iemand die kan bewijzen dat hij tot een erkende arabische clan en stam  behoort. zo niet dan ben je MAWLA al spreek je klassiek arabisch als moedertaal)
is gewoon 3AJAMI. 3ajami is een soort tamme dier. Dit verklaart waarom de arabieren de niet-arabieren als slaven behandelen.

Toen de arabieren machtig waren dwongen zij de dochters van de mawla's (=gearabiseerden) om zich aan te kleden als jongens (AL-GHULAMIYET) en jongens van de mawla's werden gedwongen om zich aan te kleden als meisjes (AL-GHULMAAN)!!! die laatsten zijn vereeuwigd door de dichter Aboe Noewwas.(1)

(1) H. Fakhuri, geschiedenis van de arabische literatuur
voor meer informatie over slavernij in de islam is er een prachtige boek:
Malek Chebel (algerijn), L'esclavage en terres d'islam, Fayard, Paris 2007
ISBN :9782213630588


Wat een walgelijke ZandApen!!!
Feedback / Waarom is mijn naam verandert???
07/04/2009 om 20:50:00
Mijn naam was eerst: Zuiver-Blanke-Amazigh.
en nu is het: Zuiver-Amazigh.
Algemeen / Discussie berbers
07/04/2009 om 20:47:54
Citaat van: Laysa op 07/04/2009 om 20:06:24
Ten eerste dat iemand trots is op een bepaalde "huidskleur" wat diegene toevalligerwijs heeft, geeft enkel de beperkte weergave van het denken van die persoon of personen aan. Iets waarvoor je helemaal geen moeite voor hebt hoeven doen en je toevallig door het leven is gegeven, daarvan kun je niet de eer mee opstrijken. Het getuigt onder andere van een grootse arrogantie m.b.t. het leven om te denken dat het "andere" minderwaardig is.

Jezelf poneren als HET superieure subject en alles wat anders is en waar je bang voor bent maar in het hokje "de ander, het vreemde, het object" plaatst getuigt verder van een gevoelsarmoede dat niet alleen vernietigend is in een wereld die alleen maar kleiner wordt maar ook van een ongekende lafheid. Een lafheid die zich uit in datzelfde superioriteitsgevoel gekoppeld aan een huidskleur die verder in de verscheidenheid van het leven en de natuur an sich geen enkele waarde heeft. Een lafheid die het menselijk vermogen om te redeneren vanuit een positie die meer overeenkomt met hoe het leven werkelijk in elkaar zit, tot kreupele maakt.

Sterker nog, wij allen zouden onszelf de vraag moeten stellen dat indien iets wat wij verkregen hebben, waar wij totaal geen controle over hebben, ons wel beter maakt dan de rest of in dit geval "de ander"? Kortom je hebt er niks voor gedaan, geen arbeid in gestopt, om te kunnen zeggen dat trots hier op zijn plaats is.

De erfelijkheidsleer leert ons dat iemand qua uiterlijk net zo "wit" kan zijn als een laken, maar genetisch gezien kan er DNA aanwezig zijn van donkere voorouders.

Het Berberse volk bestaat niet, dat zijn enkel termen die cultureel bepaald zijn. Wat alle cultuur ontstijgt en door niemand ontkend of verdraaid kan worden is dat WIJ ALLEN mens zijn. Of gaan we nu even een paar honderd jaar terug en voeren we discussie dat we moeten aantonen of "donkere mensen" wel mensen zijn.

De argumenten die gebruikt worden om mensen met een andere huidskleur in een hokje te stoppen en voor tweederangs mens te slijten, zijn eenzelfde argumenten die gebruikt worden om vrouwen als de ondergeschikte van mannen af te schilderen.

Ten tweede is het gebruik van het woord "paren" in de bovenstaande tekst kenmerkend voor het hele verhaal. Het wordt zelfs tot het animale gereduceerd door gebruikmaking van dat woord. Het afkeuren van de donkere huid komt hier duidelijk naar voren, en dat is zeker niet racistisch nee. Om een voorbeeld te geven laten we "genocide" nou eens een andere naam geven, bijvoorbeeld "etnische zuivering" dan klinkt het ook niet erg racistisch. Het is bijna iets wat elke met moreel behuisde huisvrouw of man zelf kan doen.


*Ras gaat niet zozeer om huidskleur.

*Ik vind mijzelf niet beter dan een ander vanwege mijn genetische erfgoed.

*Er bestaat wel degelijk een Amazigh volk, het originele volk van Noord-Afrika zie de oude Lybiërs dat zijn de    echte Imazighen.

*Ik zie het probleem niet??? Ik promoot geen haat, het enige wat ik wil is dat wij de originele BLANKE bevolking van Noord-Afrika kunnen blijven voortleven in onze eigen landen met onze eigen cultuur en taal.

*De Utopische gedachtegoed van vele mensen zal altijd een droom blijven.
Verschillende mensensoorten zullen nooit vredig met elkaar kunnen leven daarom moeten we ook gescheiden worden.

*Niemand is puur van Ras maar de meeste mensen zijn zo puur dat de onzuiverheden geen rol spelen.
Algemeen / Re: Berbers op Stormfront
07/04/2009 om 18:39:01
Citaat van: RifRebel op 07/04/2009 om 18:34:53
Ik ben een echte Riffijn. Riffijnen en andere noordelijke Imazighen voeren al duidenden jaren oorlog met zuid-europeanen. De euwige vijand van Noordelijke Imazighen, waren altijd zuid Europeanen, aan de overkant van de Middelandse Zee.

Eerst tegen romijnen, grieken, vandalen, bizantijnen, daarna de portugezen, spanjaarden, italianen, fransen. En vele zuid-europeanen werden als blanke slaven verhandeld, geen blanke broeder, dat zijn we nooit geweest.

Er is altijd oorlog!

Duitsland heeft vaak oorlog gehad met hun Europese broeders zoals Frankrijk en Engeland.
Moeten zij zichzelf dan niet meer zien als Europeanen?
Citaat van: RifRebel op 07/04/2009 om 17:45:13
Dan ben je in mijn ogen geen Amazigh. Een echte Amazigh, ziet alle Imazighen die Tmazight taal en cultuur dragen als zn broeders. Miss als je wat langer op deze site hangt, zul je je ideologie aanpassen

Btw, Twareg hebben geen negroide aspecten, ze hebben geen brede neus, geen zulu-lippen etc

Omdat ze vermengd zijn met Berbers en daarmee de Kaukasisch kenmerken meekrijgen. 
Citaat van: Hadou op 07/04/2009 om 17:51:57
Ik denk eerder dat zowel (sommige)  joden als andere volkeren voor een hogere macht werken.  Die hogre macht streeft naar een Wereld orde. Met de NAVO als politie corps.


Maar het grootste deel van deze "hogere macht" bestaat uit joden.
Hun heersen over de machtigste banken, grootste legers en zij zijn degene die de leiders uitkiezen.

De jood heeft een ongekende schuldgevoel op de schouders van de Europeanen gelegd met het Holocaust fabeltje en Europese slavernij die voor 75% werd beheerd door de jood.